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The recent edits have been reverted due to a decrease of quality. There have been some inaccuracies, such as the claim that "Sharia" is a form of "Traditional Islamic law". Next, the claim that "it is traditionally death" sourced by "Chapter 21 Theology of Violence-oriented Takfirism as a Political Theory: The Case of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS)" is not well-grounded. When the source itself is about a terrorist organization (which has been considered unIslamic by almost if not all notable Muslim scholars), when it can be expected that we find harsher depictions of a certain matter and maybe even deviant views, since the topic itself does only superficially touch upon Islamic theology. Next, the source itself relativizes the claim by stating:

"In the classical period of Islam, the issue of excommunication has often been a complex legal discussion among Islamic scholars and philosophers.".

The source itself focuses on the "Khārijites" who are well-known for their apostasy-killing, and severaly critizized throughout Islamic history. ISIS (although rather errorneously since they are still two separate groups) have been copared to them sometimes. Thus, the article is specifically designed to discuss apostasy-killing, which is not a good start to talk about the concept of "Kafir" (which is much broader than apostasy anyways). Next, it is over-simplified to say that "kafir" equals "non-Muslim", since the identity of "Muslim" is subject to debate (see Maturidism for example). There is also a debate if non-Muslims who have not rejected Islam but do not believe in it, could be considered "kafir" as within Asharite theology. Due to the over-simplifications to a degree being misleading, the edit was reverted. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 23:51, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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mazhab e islam mea sabse phele kafir kon hua tha 106.213.80.207 (talk) 16:55, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of sourced content

Kowal2701, Kuffaar, one or both of you may want to revert or try to achieve consensus over this revert. I don't have enough knowledge about whether Azam is a reliable source.-Ganeemath (talk) 12:37, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm out of my depth a bit here, how do we determine if certain books are reliable? Kowal2701 (talk) 12:42, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]